Fans might expect that the design length of m of this widespread Starfleet ship class should be well-established. Still, there are some reasonable doubts about this figure. Some of the various available facts points to a considerably larger size of the Excelsior.
Progressive estimations for the length rise up to almost m. Various pieces of evidence are investigated in the following, taking into account all versions of the starship which can be assumed to have identical general dimensions. Actually three different Excelsiors could be seen on screen, not counting the various kitbashes or study models.
This ship was supposed to be m long so far. The Enterprise-B from "Generations" and the Lakota from DS9: "Paradise Lost" are of the refitted type with hull extensions on either side of the deflector, additional impulse engines, new Bussard collectors and extra fins on the nacelle rear ends. The latter increase the length of this sub-class to about m. All variants are overall m wide and 78m high.
Still, other ships from the movie like the Klingon Bird-of-Preythe Oberth class and the Merchantman have quite debatable sizes. So it may be permissible to question the dimensions of the Excelsior likewise. The overall length of m, however, was consistently transferred to Andrew Probert's size comparison for Star Trek: The Next Generation, indicating that the people in charge of the design never changed their minds about it.
It may be worth mentioning that the Enterprise refit was designed to be exactly ft m long. It is possible that the Excelsior was intended to be exactly 1. For what it's worth, the DS9TMwhich unfortunately is among the most-quoted size references for the Excelsior class, gives us a length of Even though this increased size seems to be convenient as it may help to alleviate a few problems, it is nothing more than a calculation error.
Hence, the dimensions of most smaller ships increased. This is why I discard the There are hardly enough window rows in the engineering hull to allow an extraction of decks. Only in the saucer perimeter we can clearly make out two window rows and hence two decks. Actually, this part of the ship is quite reminiscent of the Constitution refit. It seems that during the design process of the NX, after a temporary deviation leading to radically different designsthe designer Bill George returned to the saucer structure known from the Constitution class.
For the comparison of the Excelsior with the Enterprise refit I have intentionally used orthographic photos of the two studio models note on both ships the openings for the motion-control mountin order to avoid inaccuracies because of faulty drawings or renderings. If we compare the two saucer rims at m for the Excelsior Constitution refit: mwe can see that only two low decks would fit into the Excelsior rim with its height of 6m Constitution refit: 6. The overall 3m for one deck would have to include the outer hull and possible Jefferies tubes.
Their windows would be located rather close to the floor on the upper deck and close to the ceiling on the lower deck. This doesn't seem to make much sense, and we can only suppose that these details were worked out after the overall length had already been determined to be m.
Most obviously the registry was changed from "NX" to "NCC", indicating that the starship was no longer experimental which is often interpreted in a way that the transwarp experiment failed, but this is just speculation. Aside from that there were detail changes as well. To start with, we can see that the rounded hull segment facing forward on the aft shuttlebay was replaced with an angular piece that is much more detailed and that looks like it has three decks.
Also, the detail customarily known as impulse deflection crystal in fandom was removed and two smaller domes were added to the model instead of it.
Clearly these detail modifications may be taken as signs of a now larger size of the ship. The most significant alteration was done to the bridge. The original Excelsior NX already had a relatively small bridge dome, in any case not as big than its counterpart on the Enterprise refit.Discussion in ' Star Trek: Voyager ' started by kgartmJun 8, Log in or Sign up.
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Which ship would win in a battle? Poll closed Mar 4, Joined: Jan 7, Location: On the run. I'd have voted differently if it were the thread title only, but the Enterprise E would wipe the floor with the other two. ToskJun 8, Joined: Jan 7, I agree. USS FireflyJun 8, Joined: Mar 8, Location: Great Britain. Well I know which ship wouldn't win.
Though as this crosses three shows, shouldn't it be in General Trek? MacLeodJun 8, Joined: May 7, Location: Avon. AvonJun 8, Joined: Feb 26, Location: Captain Kathryn. I think all three were great ships with Captains who loved them. Captain KathrynJun 9, Joined: Nov 19, Location: Planet Carcazed.
Worf is first officer of the Defiant and every time we see the E onscreen he is at tactical, so there is no way he could be in two places at once. Unless there's some sort of anomaly, probably caused by Voyager. Since Voyager usually comes out on top when there's some weird anomaly, I'm giving this one to James Tiberius Freaking Kirk. He slingshots around the sun into the 24th century and surprises the other captains. In their shock at seeing the older ship Kirk blows up all three other ships with a massive kickass torpedo assault that Scotty improvises on the spur of the moment.
Joined: Feb 22, Going by only what's seen on screen I'd say the Defiant. It'd probably ram the Enterprise-E. Joined: May 5, Assuming all three are normal specifications no future tech or Borg techthen the Enterprise E clearly is the most powerful and most advanced of the three, and the largest. Voyager modified as seen per Endgame, took out Borg Cubes easily, so if you go with modifications, then Voyager has it.
TheSubCommanderJun 10, Joined: Nov 20, Location: JirinPanthosa.The lead ship of her class and one of the Federation's first purpose-built warships, the Defiant first appears in the third-season DS9 episode " The Search, Part I ", after which it plays a significant role throughout the series in the ensuing Dominion War. For the first two seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Ninestories requiring main characters traveling off-station typically involved a series of small vessels called runabouts.
With the introduction of the major power known as the Dominion in the second season, Producer Ira Steven Behr and writer Robert Hewitt Wolfe believed that runabouts were insufficient to confront this new threat and successfully convinced executive producer Rick Berman of the need for a new ship. The Defiant' s addition to DS9 was intended to solve the problem of cramped runabout sets according to statements by Robert-Hewitt Wolfe.
Original designs called for a "beefed-up" runabout-type ship, but this gave way to a full-fledged starship design, initially called Valiant. This name was dropped out of fear that it would conflict with Star Trek: Voyager and its titular starship, also beginning with a "V". The ship's backstory is outlined in its first appearance, the third-season episode " The Search ".
The Defiant is a prototype vessel for the Defiant -class warshiporiginally developed to counter the Borg threat. It is officially designated as an escort vessel to avoid giving the impression that Starfleet builds warships, as it is primarily a peacekeeping and exploration force. Following the Borg invasion, the United Federation of Planets approved a project committed to enhancing Starfleet 's offensive and defensive military capabilities; the Defiant was the end result of that project. According to his statement in the episode " Defiant ", Benjamin Sisko Avery Brooks was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built and helped design it during his assignment to the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards.
Although it was designed to be fast and highly maneuverable with powerful weaponry, the Defiant was "overgunned and overpowered" for a vessel of its size. The ship's structural integrity field needed extensive modifications to keep the Defiant from tearing itself apart.
The ship was designed specifically for battle, featuring innovative pulse-phaser cannons and quantum torpedo armaments, in addition to photon torpedoesstandard phasers and a high-capacity deflector shield system. Another asset is its ablative armourenabling the ship to sustain multiple hits from enemy weapons, even with the shields inoperable, with minimal damage.
Inside, the Defiant is relatively spartan by Starfleet standards of the time: the ship is not designed to carry family members, has no science labs or holodecksand has a limited infirmary. Crew quarters consist of two bunk beds and a general computer interface. This much more sparse setup is much to Lt. Worf's approval, and soon after his transfer to Deep Space 9, he decides to live permanently on board the Defiant. The subsiding Borg threat and failed systems tests particularly in regard to the ship's overpowered engines led the development project to be stalled and the prototype to be mothballed.
Following work done at Deep Space Ninethe class would later go into production with at least a half dozen other ships in service by and onward. First contact with the Jem'Hadar in convinced Sisko to ask Starfleet for the Defiant so he would be better prepared for contact with the leaders of the Dominion.
The Defiant allows the station's crew to travel faster and further with far more firepower than the station's Danube -class runabouts can provide. While there is no officially designated commanding officer, Sisko is most frequently seen in command.
The Defiant is the first Starfleet ship to legally carry a cloaking device. Supplied by the Romulan Star Empire, the cloak is initially operated by a Romulan officer serving aboard the Defiant. An agreement between the Federation and the Romulans limits the use of the cloak to intelligence-gathering missions in the Gamma Quadrant in exchange for all of Starfleet's intelligence on the Dominion.
However, on several occasions, such as the rescue of the Detapa Council DS9 : " The Way of the Warrior "the cloaking device was used illegally in the Alpha Quadrant. While many of the Federation starships are destroyed early in the engagement, the Defiant manages to continue fighting the Borg Cube as it approaches Earth.
However, by then it is shieldless and weaponless, so its commanding officer Lieutenant Commander Worf orders the crew to prepare for ramming speed. This kamikaze action is prevented when the Enterprise arrives and draws Borg fire away, while also beaming Worf and the other surviving crew off of the stricken Defiant.
The Defiant is left severely damaged and adrift but the Enterprise ' s crew assure Worf that it can be salvaged. An early screenplay draft called for the Defiant to be destroyed, but Deep Space Nine executive producer Ira Steven Behr objected to the destruction of his show's ship and so the idea was dropped.The Defiant -class battleshipofficially an escort vesselbegan development in as a small, highly powered, heavily armed warship intended to defend the United Federation of Planets against the Borg.
However, the ship had numerous design problems that were made apparent during its shakedown cruise. These flaws, combined with the decreased urgency of the Borg threat, caused Starfleet to table its plans for a battle fleet and put the Defiant in storage. The Defiant prototype was pulled out of storage in when the Dominion threat emerged.
After several upgrades by Deep Space 9 Operations Chief Miles O'Brienthe ship was deemed worthy of use and more ships of the class were constructed. While Starfleet has participated in wars both in its past and recent times, they had largely fought those battles with the ships they had available.
The Defiant -class starship was a heavily armed, limited-role vessel, a warshipthe first Starfleet ever truly designed.
It was developed in response to the Borg threat as originally encountered at System J in After initial and hostile first contact with the Borg, Starfleet did what it hadn't done in decades, place greater emphasis on Starfleet's essential role in the defense of the Federation.
Drafting plans for such a defense required a starship s capable of fighting against the Borg. Further verified after the Federation's devastating defeat in the Battle of Wolf in losing 39 ships and 11, personnel to just a single Borg vessel.
This disaster proved the Federation was woefully inadequate to sustain a major military or defense campaign with their present fleet. With the knowledge that existing weaponry and defenses would be inadequate to meet this threat, it was recognized that a new type of starship was needed to meet the tactical requirements of facing this superior enemy.
The USS Defiant was the class prototype. It was Starfleet's first dedicated combat vessel, therefore most of the typical luxuries and provisions for families or diplomatic missions were forsaken.
Its science labs and recreational facilities were also extremely limited. The Defiant -class was heavily armored and incorporated the latest in Starfleet weaponry and defensive technology and was equipped with a class-7 warp drive.
The Defiant was considerably smaller than most other Federation starships. DS9 : " The Search, Part I " Despite the ship's compact size, she was packed to the brim with equipment designed for larger starships. The prototype Defiant performed poorly on its trial runs. The vessel was overpowered and over-gunned for a ship of its size — so much so that the Defiant nearly shook itself apart when the engines were tested at full power.
These design flaws, combined with the decreased urgency of the Borg threat, led Starfleet to abandon the project and put the prototype away in storage.September 7th, marked the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. Star Trek has had a lasting impact on science fiction and pop culture, with a fanbase numbering in their millions worldwide, and has been cited as an influence on several technological innovations, such as smartphones and tablets. The franchise has also been noted for its progressive and forward-thinking values.
Between Romulan Warbirds, Borg cubes, alien probes and planet-eating superweapons, there is no shortage of powerful and iconic ships on Star Trek. They range from the familiar and human to the aggressively dangerous and alien, from vessels designed for peaceful scientific pursuits to battleships and doomsday devices.
Here are 20 of the most powerful ships ever in the Star Trek Universe. Included are craft from all five television series and all thirteen movies, including the alternate timeline. Our criteria for ranking the power of a vessel are size, speed, weaponry, crew capacity, ability to deflect destruction, and general significance for the canon TV series, the movies, and among the fanbase. Under the command of Captain Hikaru Sulu, the Excelsior fulfilled her first three-year mission of cataloging gaseous anomalies in the Beta Quadrant, and upon returning home, survived the powerful subspace shock wave caused by the destruction of Praxis, a Klingon moon.
The Excelsior was rarely viewed in a combat situation, but was shown in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country as being able to destroy the experimental cloaking Klingon Bird-of-Prey in a few shots, and was a powerful enough vessel to be one of the three starships considered for the proposed Operation Retrieve mission.
While the Narada was a simple Romulan mining vessel in its own time in the late 24th century, it possessed far more advanced weaponry than any ship it encountered in the 23rd century. Later, the ship attacked a Klingon prison planet and forty-seven Klingon warbirds were destroyed.
The Narada, under the command of Nero, also engineered the destruction of Vulcan in the alternate Star Trek timeline. More than fifty starships were destroyed in this manner over the course of twenty-five years. The USS Voyager was one of the earliest Intrepid-class starships launched by the Federation and featured several recent technological innovations that had become available, including bio-neural circuitry, advanced sensors, variable geometry warp nacelles, and the Emergency Medical Holographic program i.
Smaller, faster, and more maneuverable than the larger Galaxy-class vessels, Voyager was the first ship to test the class 9 warp drive and was the only ship in Starfleet capable of cruising at warp 9.
Like other Federation starships, Voyager was armed with phasers, shields, and photon torpedoes, though its launchers could also be modified to launch quantum torpedoes. Voyager also carried spatial charges and tricobalt devices outside the standard Starfleet armaments. Eventually, the ship would even be outfitted with 24th-century technology brought back in time by a future version of Captain Janeway, including ablative generators and transphasic torpedoes capable of destroying a Borg cube in one or two direct hits.The REAL SIZE of STAR TREK SHIPS: Pt 1, Federation Vessels
The ship was basically a city inside they even had a bar and lounge! The Enterprise-D was able to generate Shields were high capacity and could operate on multiple frequencies.
The saucer section was even able to separate from the bottom hull in emergency situations. This Enterprise showed itself to be a highly versatile and powerful opponent, able to match a Romulan Warbird in one-on-one combat. Even if it was unable to outmatch its opponents, such as in the case of a Borg cube, it could easily outmaneuver and outsmart them.
For the first three seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, it was a fairly standard space station administered by the Federation. However, by the end of season 4, it became a vital commercial and strategic outpost due to its proximity near the Bajoran Wormhole and the discovery of the Dominion threat. So, placed on the threshold of an interstellar conflict, it underwent a massive military refit. DS9 was retrofitted with heavier shield generators, 48 rotary mount phaser arrays, 36 stationary phaser emitters, 3 sliding phaser emitters, 48 torpedo launchers, and over 5, photon torpedoes.
While not as well-known as the Bird-of-Prey, this Klingon battleship was the largest and most powerful class of starship in the service of the Klingon Empire. It could easily prove a match for a comparable Federation and Cardassian ships at the time. The largest and most powerful of the Romulan spacecraft, fans and the crew of the Enterprise-D alike were in awe when the Romulan Warbird was first revealed.
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The Trek BBS. Enterprise-D vs. Joined: Jul 9, Location: Being congratulated on the bridge of the Enterpris. Both believe the other needs to be destroyed for some strange reason.
Communication with Starfleet is impossible. The Enterprise-D has onboard Reginald Barclay after his intelligence was fully enhanced by the Cytherians. The Voyager has the 29th century Borg onboard. Each ship has their normal complement, but the aformentioned individuals are the acting captains for this scenario. Also, calling upon allies is not possible, and this is the 4th season version for both ships. Who wins this battle? Last edited: Sep 28, Captain McBainSep 27, Joined: Jun 15, Location: Shangri-La.
This is the case of a battleship vs a destroyer pretty much. The E-D wins easily StarSep 27, Voyager has more firepower than the Enterprise, though, correct? Captain McBainSep 28, Joined: Mar 30, Location: Austin. I'd say the Enterprise, since Barclay was able to do things far beyond what the drone could do. FinnSep 28, Joined: May 13, Location: Parts Unknown.